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ryank
02-28-2010, 08:16 PM
When does bass fishing start to kick off ? Days are getting longer and soon I'll be able to fish for an hour or two on the willamette after work, just curious as to when to start looking for them, the water still has to warm up a little I'm sure.
Ryank
Osmosis
02-28-2010, 09:10 PM
the water is still around 44-45degrees in the willy 2 days ago, so I'd think it needs to warm up still. however I was told the other day that the smallmouth are going to be spawning soon and that the bass tournament guys start fishin for them this time of year.
They're already being caught but you have to work for them. They're still deep at about 25-30 ft of water unless it's a warm day like it was the weekend before this one. I will add that this morning, there was a crazy amount of surface activity on the Willy, a surface ring was being created every second (no kidding) for the area of a football field (all I could clearly see) for at least 3 minutes that I witnessed....I'm assuming they're carp but to me, that means the water temp is good right now.......goes and looks out the window.....still activity, there's a ring about every 30 seconds now.
Chinook SSSF
03-01-2010, 09:28 AM
I know! I was going to go perch fishing today with Chrissy but then the clouds moved in...I tell you what, I heard the frogs croaking and the cherry blossoms are budding early. I think there will be a good warmwater start in March this year. Our Winter would have to turn over on it's back to do anything drastic now........
giggsy70
03-01-2010, 06:02 PM
All that surface activity could have been a hatch of some sort going off with trout and fry getting the getting while it is good. When the hatches have been going off the surface is a good place to be with a matched dry.
All that surface activity could have been a hatch of some sort going off with trout and fry getting the getting while it is good. When the hatches have been going off the surface is a good place to be with a matched dry.
Nothing broke the surface (cleared the water) yet these rings were large. If it was trout, they were all 18" plus. I saw this often when I was fishing in the fall mornings, and I knew when it was a bass and when it was "something else". These rings are larger than what a 12-15" bass would make.
Man, it'd really be awesome if it were trout!
Bassfight
03-02-2010, 03:44 PM
As said above, I too have had great bass fishing on warm and sunny days. As for rainy days or cloudy days not so much. So what kind of fish are making those big surface rings you're seeing Spade?
spactrukn
03-02-2010, 08:19 PM
Nothing broke the surface (cleared the water) yet these rings were large. If it was trout, they were all 18" plus. I saw this often when I was fishing in the fall mornings, and I knew when it was a bass and when it was "something else". These rings are larger than what a 12-15" bass would make.
Man, it'd really be awesome if it were trout!
These large rings in the water you are speaking of Gabe.... Did they look like this? :D
http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy144/kaponas1/IMG000.jpg
Occasionally, like Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays. :D This morning it was windy and the water is SUPER high and very very ugly. I will try again Friday morning and see I can get better conditions.
ryank
06-17-2010, 09:04 AM
Gabe, you been getting any before work bass action? I've been thinking about heading to the willy after work sometime soon to try my luck.
Ryank
I've been getting a lot of casting practice. The river has been 6-10 feet higher than I'm used to. Yesterday the water was up 6 feet where I fish and I could only fish from the old ramp. :( The current also was rippin' along compared to what I'm used to.
All I've really been able to do these past few months is check to make sure my gear is dialed in and find the new snags that the water has brought in. However with this new set of high water, it's totally going to change all the stuff I discovered previously. :)
I've even plunked a few days for some C&R sturgeon but lost too much lead.
Arctic
07-05-2010, 05:40 PM
I dunno if this thread just died, but I have been out to harass a few bass on the Willy's tribs quite a bit lately. Hope everyone else is as enthused about the smallmouth fishery as I am... anyone hit the big river to pull topwater gear yet? Here are a few from last week.
Pretty substantial fish for this system
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/arcticamoeba/7fc55c83.jpg
Anyone recognize the location?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/arcticamoeba/9d3f91f0.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/arcticamoeba/25fe8982.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/arcticamoeba/ac066082.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/arcticamoeba/1fb47c18.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/arcticamoeba/fdacf9d1.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/arcticamoeba/9c5cf055.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/arcticamoeba/6cbb8b02.jpg
The white 4'' Senko rigged weedless, or texas, or whatever they call the buried hook rigging.. was the king those days. also. A brass sliding weight seemed like the combo they ate the most... just thought i'd post a few smally pics. Doubt many care, but I love it! Its fishin! What can you dislike 'bout that?
AdamBomb
07-05-2010, 07:03 PM
Nice work! I nailed a few bronze backs on the Molalla yesterday. I'm usually a spinner only guy on the Mo, but a friend suggested a jointed Rapala and I'm glad I listened to him! I was surprised at how hard the cutthroat were hitting it. I found bass in all the usual places, but the most fun was the two MONSTER pike minnow that gave my drag a workout!!http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/adambomb1982/nicecut.jpg
Arctic
07-05-2010, 08:01 PM
Wicked nice Cutt! I throw a lot of hardware at the bass too, but on the Pudd'n I like the white, or watermelon worms. I rarely gut 'em on plastics, which is almost weird. But seems like they inhale small steelhead gear! I like the jointed Rap! I don't have any of those. Gotta love those Rebel frogs, and craws too! I have hooked everything on those little buggers! For us the lower end has been good for bass, and we usually nail the Cutts around Canby, on up to meadowbrook. But from Pats Acres to Molalla River State Park took 7 hours fishin half the good water pretty hard. That little river has good flow, but so many curves! What section of river you like for Bass'n? Below, or is it above Wagonwheel? Anyhoo, cool to hear about another 'Mo Goer.' We'll have to float it before it gets too low. Lower Pudding is always high enough tho.
Geez. Sorry the pics are so large! I do this from a rebellious smartphone. Need to get to a comp. to resize them. Woops!
Twise95
07-05-2010, 08:30 PM
Sweet pics thanks for sharing! This is REALLY making me miss all the good bass fishing that i know must be going on throughout the state right now. Liking the wacky rigged worm you got there! That thing just slays 'em don't it? :)
AdamBomb
07-05-2010, 08:40 PM
I have private property access halfway between Goods Bridge and the old RR bridges. I love how every little hole and pocket and eddy has some kinda fish in it! Is that section of the Puddin floatable from a tube? or do you need a toon?
Arctic
07-05-2010, 10:50 PM
That is a great section of river! I believe, that regardless of how slow the puddy flows, it is still deeper than the 'mo. None of those built up bars ahead of shallow rip rap. We should do it sometime!
Teddy, as I recall you have had some bangin days bank fishin for bass...;-) That was a great nooker! Haha! Hope you can find some time to chase a few smallies around...maybe hit local ponds for the bucketmouth battle!
Twise95
07-06-2010, 05:40 PM
Hahaha I'm glad you remember that, that was for sure a time I can look back on to remember just how dang lucky I get sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't take doing the right thing at the right time, it just takes having your line in the water for crying out loud.
Yeah, I have plenty of time right now... I just need to get out there and go fish. I'm going to be on foot and on public transportation but I've done it before! There are fish to catch for those who go looking for them. Right now there's a thief running around in my town so I'm a bit weary to hit up some of my normal hunting grounds on the Willy but I'll get out there before long.
The thread only died because no one's been catchin'. :D Nice fish guys. I just can't seem to get the time to find them in my limited range of grounds and time.
I'm going out tomorrow morning to see if I can find these guys finally. Got some new weapons to add to the mix.
Well, this morning was all about practicing my cast and my patience. Once I called it quits and walked into the office it took about 15 minutes for my hands to get back to functioning fully.
If the weather is like this Monday, I'm going to see if I can locate some sturgeon instead.
ryank
07-23-2010, 09:07 AM
Well, this morning was all about practicing my cast and my patience. Once I called it quits and walked into the office it took about 15 minutes for my hands to get back to functioning fully.
If the weather is like this Monday, I'm going to see if I can locate some sturgeon instead.
When I fished on tuesday, the forcast said sunny and 84 degrees so I wore shorts and a tee shirt, and the sun didn't peek through until the evening, I froze my butt off all day standing in the water! I thought it was july? ;) My very little experience with the bass in the willammette has been fishing is either really good or really bad with no in between. You starting your before work fishing trips again?
I hear ya, the weather this year has not been ideal on any of my fishing trips. Yes, I'm starting the before work stuff again. I've been going through withdrawls so I just force myself up 30 minutes earlier in the mornings...even if it only means 4 hours of sleep. The stress relief I get is well worth it.
Got out to awesome conditions yesterday morning. I accidentally grabbed the Steelhead box instead of the Bass box so I was limited to running spinners and the one Rapala I had tied on to start. Needless to say, the Rapala did wonders and I hooked up with a 8 incher on the 2nd cast. YAY!! First Bass of 2010. Then 2 casts after that guy I hooked up with my personal best!
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/Spaded_Z/img023s.jpg
And shortly later on backed that guy up with this one!
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/Spaded_Z/img024s.jpg
Lastly, I missed a fish on because I didn't get a hook set. All this in 45 minutes of fishing! This is what I love about fishing for bass.
Tide: 6.03 - 5.70
Baro: 29.85 - 29.86 (steady)
AdamBomb
07-27-2010, 06:22 PM
Nice work! those are some healthy bronze backs for sure! Just out of curiosity, were you above or below the falls?
Arctic
07-27-2010, 07:48 PM
Awesome Gabe! Nice fish! Glad to see you got to harass a few of the locals today! Hahahaha! Great job dude!
Twise95
07-27-2010, 07:50 PM
I saw it first on Facebook, man that's a nice piggy :D oink oink. Sweet fish Gabe :D
Thanks guys, this is below the falls (Swan Island to be exact). My work is literally right on the river so I just park and walk to the water and start fishing.
This morning the baro pressure was on the rise and that means the fish don't want to eat. Monday the pressure was steady and not changing much from 29.85. Today I had to work really hard and cover a lot of water in the wind to get the one 8inch fish that bit this morning. I actually thanked it. :)
http://home.comcast.net/~rkrz/infoarch/fyibarometer.htm
The Best and Worst Conditions: Bass bite fairly well when the barometer is from, say, 29.98 to 30.02. However, from mid-spring to early autumn you may have your best catches, when barometric pressure has dropped from the 29.98 to 30.02 range, and dropped dramatically in a relatively short time. It's the drop of .10 to .15 in pressure (and especially a fast drop) that triggers two things: (1) the bass go on a relatively brief rampage, and (2) it's an approaching weather front that causes the air pressure drop. Of course, it can be hazardous to fish once the front gets too close, what with the probability of high winds and lightning. So a second game plan might be to fish a couple of days after a significant front has passed through, once air pressure has stabilized. And a third game plan would be to go fishing when the air pressure has been relatively steady for several days. The worst times to go fishing, in terms of barometric pressure, are when the pressures are below 29.90 or above 30.15. It is thought that bass tend to recover more quickly from air pressure changes in warm water than they do in cold, as much as three of four days in cold water, despite barometric pressures otherwise seeming to be fine. In conclusion, many environmental factors affect fish behavior, like PH, water clarity, water temperature, water fluctuation, just to mention a few. But changes in barometric pressure are critical, and understanding them will help you concentrate your best bass fishing efforts even more.
On top of all this, the tide also affects how these fish behave. Monday 6am-7am the tide was peaked and just starting the drop (6.1 - 5.8). Today, it was on the rise and went from 4.6 - 5.4. It really seems like they prefer high slack based on all my experiences but may also like the drop. Problem with high slack is it really makes you work to get around stuff. :)
Friday looks to be interesting with the tide going 2.6 - 3.5. An hour earlier (5am) and it'd be right at the start of low slack. At the least, I'll be able to spot all those snags I can't see at high slack, and learn the contours of the shoreline in more detail.
This morning the water was low and it was nice to learn the contours I couldn't see and look where I hooked up with fish early in the week and know why. I started out with a fish on in less than 5 minutes and then nothing for the rest of the hour. I'm trying different lures and fishing them with confidence (I know they catch fish). The only thing working right now is that 3.5" gold Rapala...once the shad babies start running down stream the 2" silver Rapala will be the cat's meow!
The coolest thing was getting a strange sense to look down river and seeing an Osprey drop out of the sky 100ft away....just happened to hit the water near the only cover around and come up with a decent fish. Drat! :)
Baro was 29.7 and climbed only .01 and of course it's been flat lined since 7am!! ARGH!
Tide was incoming and went from 3.3 - 4ft.
Monday will be the lowest tide I'll have fished yet dropping from 1.9 - 1.8. I will only be using the gold Rapala if conditions are anything like today and Wednesday.
Got out again during lunch. I prefer mornings as the heat was a bit much. However, I did hook into another fish that also spit the hook on the jump, but unlike this morning I had to cover a lot of water to find it.
ryank
07-30-2010, 10:35 PM
Nice fish! Some of those willamette bass can get pretty chunky, looks like you found a few :) That's a pretty cool way to start your work day!
The tide was super low as I expected this morning. Really nice to see all points and coves that I couldn't see when the water is higher.
This morning started out good with a dink in the first 5 minutes, and then followed up with a 1.5-2lb'r a few minutes later....followed that up with one that got off and finally the last fish around 6:20. All again on the gold rapala, which I lost this morning and switched up to the smaller silver one. I thought the silver would be good as I was seeing the little bait fish jumping quite often but I don't think the Bass have fully turned onto them yet.
I didn't get any bites or sniffs after 6:30, looking at the baro it was starting to climb it went from 30.03 (6:00) down to 30.02 (6:15) the back up to 30.03 (6:30) and has pretty much held there since.
Fish were very active and I believe I like the 30.0x pressure a lot better than 29.7x. :)
I didn't feel like I had to work all that hard for fish this morning.
Tide was 2.2 and dropped to 1.9.
In case some of you are wondering, yes I am using this thread as my fishing log. :D
Twise95
08-04-2010, 11:23 AM
Hahahah wow Gabe thanks for the play-by-play report :D
I love working an area for bass and feeling like it doesn't take much effort to pick them out of it. Fun stuff :D
This morning I got skunked...and didn't have any gold rapalas with me since I'd lost the two to the river earlier. I was fishing with a Crayfish colored rapala and figured that's why the gold was getting bit. Now, after chatting with Rob, I think it's more likely Juvi Carp than Crayfish. Oh well, guess I need to pick one up this weekend. :) But I think it's also a Baro issue as well so I have written the Crayfish off.
Tide: 4.0 - 3.7
Baro: 29.91 - 29.93 (Rising)
Greeted by windy conditions that stack the bugs up on the downwind side of the trees and a high tide, this morning didn't look promising and it "felt" off. I got down to the water and started working it with the crayfish jerkbait, then moved on to a white/silver spinnerbait, then back to a smaller gold jerkbait which I worked for a while, then a dark blue buzz bait (just to try since there was an occasional surface bump), and finally I tied on the yellow/gold spinnerbait. Spinnerbaits put up a lot of resistance while you're reeling them in and I was just fishing it to cover my bases when one of the most aggressive pulls I've felt in a while hit the spinner. The way this bass fought, I thought for sure I was on the road to another personal best but it turned out to just be a 1lb'r that was really strong and determined! I love these things, they're just amazing when it comes down to their strength vs weight.
Chalk one up for the spinnerbait.
I started at 5:30ish this morning...flat lined Baro from 3am all the way to the point where I started fishing! ARGH!
Tide: 5.7 - 5.0
Baro: 29.95 - 29.97 (rising)
spactrukn
08-09-2010, 08:37 PM
Gabe, I've got a bag full of mister twister grub thingys.... and some bare jig heads. They work well, you want them? Cast them out a little upstream and reel them in very, very slooooowly.
Gabe, I've got a bag full of mister twister grub thingys.... and some bare jig heads. They work well, you want them? Cast them out a little upstream and reel them in very, very slooooowly.
Thanks Ken, I would jump on this however this area just eats them up. I've tried jigs and even senko worms and they all get sucked into these rocks and have to break off. I'd just end up wasting them.
The only way I was able to use that technique was to use a float with a really high bobber stop so I could pull it up and out instead of into the rocks more, and then locate a fish. They don't seem to like floats though so they'd just toy with the jig or bait. Once you find a willing nibbler then you take the float off and toss the bait almost right on top of their head.
Looking forward to tomorrow morning but will have to navigate a lot of bushes as this will be one of the higher tides 5.2 - 5.7. Peak tide is at 7am.
spactrukn
08-10-2010, 08:24 PM
Yeah, I guess you are right about the snaggs. I know where you are fishing. Those rocks would definatly swallow the grub/jig combo.
Covered the most water I have ever covered at this site today for one small fish that I just played out till it got itself off the hook. The small silver rapala on that one.
Saw a couple of beavers cruising down the river this morning when I arrived, that was pretty cool. Some hovering Osprey and Canadian Geese cruised on in and landed on the barge that's parked just downstream of where I fish. I never catch anything around this big beast of cover.
Tide: 5.5 - 5.9
Baro: 29.95 - 29.98 (constant rise, never leveled off the entire time I fished)
This morning was nice and mellow, finally got some fish on the new Rapalas so I don't feel like they were a waste of money. The first one was about 4 inches....yup I was shocked too. I was reeling in, the lure was almost to the bank and I got a hit so I set the hook...felt a little resistance but nothing was there as my lure was dangling at the end of the rod above the water.....then I noticed the little small mouth flopping on the bank. Poor guy, I just yanked him right out of the water. HAHA.
Hooked another fish later on on the same rapala and fought it for a bit but then it got off. I now know why the bass pros beach their fish as soon as possible. These fish put a lot of energy into getting off the hook.
There are a lot of baby Shad jumping on the surface and skipping around but it seems like they're just doing it for fun instead of escaping something because I could cast all day into the mix of them and catch nothing.
Also, as I was ending someone came down to fish sturgeon and test out a new spinning rod they'd bought. He chucked it literally almost half way across the river! I've been measuring my long casts and some reach out 100'+ This cast was a BOOMER, it just launched out there easily 5-7 times my long cast! I had to ask how much weight he was using after watching that cast. He said 6oz. Only 6oz! Sheesh there was a lot of energy in that cast! I now know it's possible to reach the holes I see people stack up in from their boats.
Tide: 2.7 - 4.3 (rising so fast there was an upriver current)
Baro: 29.86 - 29.88
spactrukn
08-13-2010, 08:49 PM
Actually there is a great gator hole right outside of your corp 9 building if you can reach it. 14ft rod 4-8 oz. weight and a daiwa sealine reel can get you there from the bank.
Right down the stairs and casting to the drop off? :D "Corp9" is fairly new, it used to be FTHQ.
I started my walk down to the water at 5:40am this morning, no breeze and calm, clear water with little shad jumping EVERYWHERE! I tired everything I had (even a buzz bait for a bit) to try and get these fish to bite and nothing was happening. Finally, after covering a lot of water in both directions, I decided to just toss the bigger lure I had X8 Crayfish Rapala. Giving up on really catching anything after 50 minutes of casting, I fell into a day dream and was halfway into a retrieve when the rod bent down. I knew I wasn't near any rocks so I set the hook heavy (Bass man style) and proceeded to sit back and listen to my drag for a solid 10 seconds! :D WOOT, I kept heavy pressure on this fish, as much as my drag would let me and worked it in after about 5 minutes of play. Not as long some of the other fish I've caught but this thing was chunky and had some solid weight to it. I'd guess it's about 1.8 - 2 lbs. That was a nice reward....and for the life of me I couldn't remember what I had been thinking about before that fish hit. :) About 10 minutes later a dink the size of the lure bit the back treble and I yanked it onto shore waited for it to stop spazzing out and tossed it back into the water. All in all, a fine morning after that first bass I was more than content.
Tide: 3.1 - 2.8 (very slow outgoing)
Baro: 29.97 - 29.98 (quick bump up and then steady since 6:10)
This morning I did something different. I started out with the jerkbait and caught a 8" bass, yanked it up on shore and then cut it up and used it for sturgeon bait. I only got about 25 minutes of plunk time and didn't see or hear any bites. I am starting to re-evaluate how entertaining it would be to sit out there waiting for a sturgeon to bite in the mornings before work.
Yes, I did look at the stomach contents of the bass....a whole 3" crayfish :D
Tide: 3 - 2.7ft
Baro: 29.97 steady
Arctic
08-20-2010, 11:26 AM
I too have used carp, bass, salmon carcs(yes, its legal, read the regs closely), chub, ect... these baits need to sit for far longer than sandshramps, squid, and herring for some reason. Most of the time anyways. Good job Gabe! The crawfish cranks are killer! I like rebels version.
I too have used carp, bass, salmon carcs(yes, its legal, read the regs closely), chub, ect... these baits need to sit for far longer than sandshramps, squid, and herring for some reason. Most of the time anyways. Good job Gabe! The crawfish cranks are killer! I like rebels version.
I like them too but don't have the depth to fish them. I'm sure I'd end up losing one each time I go out. I'm half tempted to try tube jigs again like Ken suggested.....I just hate losing gear. :) Lost one of my new jerkbaits this morning...was a bit bummed by that.
spactrukn
08-21-2010, 09:44 AM
The mister twister grub things work well with a small worm weight sliding on the mainline above them too. This is very inexpensive if you lose them and very quick to retie. so basicly just a hook with a grub pushed up onto it with a small worm weight above it sliding on the mainline. don't even need the jig head. just enough weight to cast where you need to. Reel very slowly just enough to give some action to the tail on the grub. The cone shape of the worm weight helps to keep it from getting stuck.
Arctic
08-21-2010, 08:07 PM
I hear ya there Gabe! I hate losin gear too! Part of the game, but for those before work casts its nice to just take it easy. And losing a bunch of gear hinders that! Haha! Tubes are killer if you ask me. I've had some good fish eat a nice tube jig.
Ken, do you rig those mr. twisters with the egg sinker directly above the worm and hook, or do you tie a swivel above the grub, and run the sinker above the swivel? Just curious is all.
spactrukn
08-22-2010, 06:47 PM
I hear ya there Gabe! I hate losin gear too! Part of the game, but for those before work casts its nice to just take it easy. And losing a bunch of gear hinders that! Haha! Tubes are killer if you ask me. I've had some good fish eat a nice tube jig.
Ken, do you rig those mr. twisters with the egg sinker directly above the worm and hook, or do you tie a swivel above the grub, and run the sinker above the swivel? Just curious is all.
It's a cone shaped worm weight it just slides on the line just above the hook. Yes it kind of bounces against the knot but I haven't had problems with it.
Arctic
08-22-2010, 07:08 PM
Ah yes. I see. It is basically how I like to rig tubes, ans worms for heavy weed line fishing. The weedless hook placement, and those cool tapered brass slider sinkers keep the lettuce off. Cool, thanks Ken!
This morning was pretty mellow as to the catching but a LOT of activity. I learned a bit why the gold catches and mostly in the shallow, it really does look like a crayfish skipping along the rocks. I hooked one fish after I saw it hit the surface up river from me. I cast past it and retrieved right into it. :) It's nice when you hook into the fish you're casting at. Needless to say he stuck for a while but got off the hook. I was experimenting and replaced both the trebles with sickle siwashes. I don't like'm because Bass go so berzerk that it probably worked the hole too large and allowed the hook to slip right out. Either way, another thing I learned is that I can use the smaller F5 sized lures and remove the belly hook. This allows them to skim across the top of the rocks without snaging too much, and since they're floating, if you do snag you just let off and let the lure float up and then continue your retrieve. That is, until your line goes between two rocks and your lure follows but the hook doesn't. I'm waiting for the tide to drop another two feet then going to get my lure! :D
Tide: 4.3 - 3.69
Baro: 29.90 (Only current pressure available :( )
Nothin....tons of surface activity and nothin' to show for it. :( Tide was at peak and I covered a lot of water and found NOTHIN! Argh. :D
Friday I'm going to try a different steeper location as it will be a very heavy incoming.
Tide: 4.4 - 4.6 - 4.5
Baro: 29.90 flat
This morning I had the wrong gear in the backpack...haven't done that in a while. I tied on a #4 R&B Brass/Brass with the underside of the blade painted maroon (nail polish) and a siwash. I started late (6:20) and caught two dinks right off the bat. When I say dinks, I mean the first one was only 25% longer than the spinner! HAHA. Anyway, entertaining enough until I lost the spinner in some rocks (watching the tide to go get it back).
Tied on a #2 black/black with yellow tape and tube and didn't get a sniff till it was time to get to work.
Tide: 4.2 - 4.4 (peak)
Baro: 30.09 - 30.10