View Full Version : Why you never try a different hook!
TailOutSwingin
01-16-2009, 10:02 PM
So I always use Gamakatsu's for drift fishing, but decided to try another brand today. I hooked one fish and got a solid hookset where I felt it bury right in the corner of the mouth. After about 30 seconds, my rig came flying out of the water, over my head and into the brush behind me. It just felt weird and when I checked my set up this is what I found:
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr281/TailOutSwingin/P1160119.jpg:eek:
This is a #1 and the leader was 8lb UG. I had a half a dozen of them tied up so I figured I would try another one. After 10 minutes I hung it on a rock and gave a couple of quick tugs on it and I felt it give way and come back to me. It was opened up too!
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr281/TailOutSwingin/P1160115.jpg
That was enough for me so I broke out the Gami's and went back to work. Long story short my only opportunity for the afternoon was lost to a bad hook. Never again!!!!!!!!
williesteal17
01-16-2009, 10:13 PM
Yhea I've had that happen to me also I just stick with gama's.
TTJLN
01-16-2009, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the info on the winning color combo. I will be putting that to work tomorrow!
Now if I could get you to go there and point out the rock they like to sit behind again................:D
TailOutSwingin
01-16-2009, 10:37 PM
Hard to beat that color on a sunny green water day on the Sandy! And that fish was in front of the tree not behind the rock.
TTJLN
01-16-2009, 10:41 PM
Dang it! That tree and I don't get along!:(
RollinontheRvr
01-17-2009, 12:07 AM
Dang it! That tree and I don't get along!:(
Man, I think I know that stupid tree, it loves to shake hands my gear to....:mad:
Chuckster
01-17-2009, 11:54 AM
Hey Chris,
What was the brand of the inferior hook :confused:
Chuck
RollinontheRvr
01-17-2009, 02:54 PM
Hey Chris,
What was the brand of the inferior hook :confused:
Chuck
Just a stab in the water but could it be a Vision hook?
TailOutSwingin
01-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Just a stab in the water but could it be a Vision hook?
Yeah that would be the one. I didnt want to make it a big product complaint thing, this is a friendly board:). I really like the Vision Rolling Drop Swivels so I was disappointed with the hook results. I did take a couple out of the pack today and I couldnt bend them out without using 2 pairs of pliers :confused: but it goes back to the fish what you have confidence in thing, so...
RollinontheRvr
01-17-2009, 05:45 PM
Yeah that would be the one. I didnt want to make it a big product complaint thing, this is a friendly board:). I really like the Vision Rolling Drop Swivels so I was disappointed with the hook results. I did take a couple out of the pack today and I couldnt bend them out without using 2 pairs of pliers :confused: but it goes back to the fish what you have confidence in thing, so...
Yeah, I hear ya', no point in bashin' the product but it's good to know that the other two hooks took alot to bend. Maybe the other two were just a bad pair....There how's that for optimism...???:cool:
And that is a number one? That's the same combo I fish with. Vision number 1's and 8# ultra green. In my experience 8# will bend out a number 2, but I've yet to bend out a number 1. And that being said I've never bent out twos on fish, only on snags. Bummer deal though.
TailOutSwingin
01-18-2009, 06:26 PM
Yep, it was a #1. I know that you can get a bad batch of hooks sometimes. I tried some 1/0 Owner Siwashes that had a black finish on some spinners a couple of years ago. They would bend out with ANY pressure. A couple of us tried them and had the same results.
I use a fair amount of smaller hooks (#6 and #8) for drift fishing with small yarnie/egg flies (even for winter fish with 8 or 10 lb leader) and have never had an issue with opening them.
Nothing worse than loosing fish.
RollinontheRvr
01-18-2009, 07:14 PM
I tried some 1/0 Owner Siwashes that had a black finish on some spinners a couple of years ago. They would bend out with ANY pressure.
That's really weird, I use Owner Cutting Points and Gamakatsu Octopus style hooks all the time and never bend a hook out....I do use 1/0's though, could that be the difference?? Either that or I am just not fishing right...:eek: I have been noticing that I use bigger hooks than most...Like I said last night Chris, I put away my gear for along time but back in the day everybody used 1/0's, sometimes even 2/0's in either Gami's, or Eagle Claw and so on. So when I came back to fishing I just went with what I knew from before.
As the hook size increases the wire diameter steps up. So even in the same manufacturer 2's are going to bend easier than 1's and 1's are going to bend easier than 1/0's.
By design, Visions are a thin wire hook so they bend out easier than a thicker shanked hook. Pro's and Con's like everything else.
Chetco
01-20-2009, 07:20 PM
As the hook size increases the wire diameter steps up. So even in the same manufacturer 2's are going to bend easier than 1's and 1's are going to bend easier than 1/0's.
By design, Visions are a thin wire hook so they bend out easier than a thicker shanked hook. Pro's and Con's like everything else.
Have 37 steelhead on vision only good things to say about this hook one fish 19 lb . All fish released.
Fishfinder
01-21-2009, 03:25 AM
Chetco, out of curiousity what size hooks do you use? Or did you use on those fish?
TOS, come on bro I know you let that fish feel the power of them guns. No blamin' lost fish on the hook. :D
...... Just kidding, believe it or not I had the same thing happen about two years ago with Vision #1's. I don't think they step up the gage of wire when they go from 2's to 1's. It is just a guess, after my experience I went back to what I trust.
Jim Driehorst
I don't think they step up the gage of wire when they go from 2's to 1's.
I dont know what their old hooks were like, but I bought a few hundred 1's and 2's the other day and the ones are definately a larger guage wire.